Posted by fschmidt on
URL: https://mikraite.arkian.net/Why-Religions-Fail-tp2257p2695.html

It seems we are mostly in agreement now.  I will just quote areas of difference.

umit wrote

With modern understanding of science (medical and technical) and technology, any society can be successful...even though 99% of them are just dumb tiktok followers...so that is definitely not objective.

The success of societies today varies greatly even though they all have access to the same science and technology.  In the long term, the success of a society depends on its ability to enforce good morals.

an objective method would be for example to look for verses in the scripture that obviously contradict science or each other...or which are otherwise unreasonable.

a nice example of this is King David being called the 7th son of Jesse on one verse in the Bible and 8th on the other.
Given possible reasons for this either death of one of the sons, or adoption...but no one tries to find out which son then apparently died or was adopted.

The Quraan is completed in 20 years from the revelation of the first verse to the last one, but does not contain similar contradictions.

Okay, I agree that this is objective, just not the method I would choose.  So which objective criteria one uses to choose scripture is itself subjective.

Just to explain how I view the Old Testament - I view the Torah (first 5 books) as being the core of it, somewhat equivalent to the Quran, and I view the rest as being somewhat equivalent to Hadiths which do have contradictions.

OK but that page is huge...besides, it is not a thread I can reply on like here.

There is a whole subforum where you can reply.  I hope you eventually have time to read it.  I am maintaining this page as the core of my views.