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I may have found a context where Western females aren't obviously awful. I posted a picture of myself on a Facebook group related to fitness for people over 40 asking for advice on loosing remaining belly fat, which stands out since I am otherwise fairly lean. I got a variety of advice from the men, who seem to have high standards because they use drugs and surgery and such. However, the consensus from the women was that I am fine the way I am. Whether that is true or not is beside the point. It just seemed like a surprisingly non-horrible position for them to take.
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